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If for some inexplicable reason you need further proof of this Dolly Parton is an absolute national treasure that must be protected at all costs, I have it for you right here.
The first time comes from a 1977 Barbara Walters interview where Barb questions Dolly about her looks (in the rudest way possible, might I add) and doesn’t back off. Of course, Dolly, who is the diamond, has a perfect answer.
Watch it yourself:
“I know I get made fun of, but actually all these years people, you know, thought the joke was on me, but it was actually in the public domain. I know exactly what I’m doing and can change it at any time.
I make more jokes about myself than anyone else…”
She then gives Barb a lesson in self-love, judgment and confidence.
“Like I said, I’m sure of myself as a person. I am confident in my talent. And I’m sure about my love of life and things like that. I am very pleased. I like the person I am.
So I can afford to do makeup and clothes and stuff because I’m confident in myself.”
She straight up takes Barb on national TV like the queen she is.
First, Barbara begins the interview by telling Dolly that she “doesn’t they have to look like this,” and then goes on to list things about her appearance like her blonde hair, her choice of outfits, and her measurements. And I’m going to have to stop you right there, Barb…
Are you going to sit there and try to tell the Queen of Country Music, with one of the most beautiful, iconic and recognizable looks of ALL TIME, how she should dress and what to do with her hair and makeup? That will be no on my part.
And then you have the audacity to ask Dolly if it feels like a joke? That will be hell no on my part.
And as Barb continues to be a total jerk to Dolly’s face, with her little comments about “your people,” Dolly responds by telling her that it’s a personal choice and that she couldn’t be nicer to him. No offense…it just makes me love her even more.
And I mean, I would have thought that would have solved the problem once and for all, but Barb came back for another couple of years later. Barbara interviewed Dolly again at her home outside of Nashville in 1982, five years after the original interview in 1977.
This particular year was a rough one for Dolly as she was sick and out of work for four months due to what she described as “female issues” along with some other stomach problems. It was the first interview she had done since falling ill months ago.
It starts off pretty light, with Dolly telling Barbara that there are rumors that she actually went out for a breast reduction. She jokes that she spent years getting them that big, even though she thought it might be a good idea in some ways:
“Most seriously, it would probably take a load off my chest.”
But then, pretty quickly, it takes a new twist along the lines of what we saw in the first interview. Barbara asks what Dolly’s definition of a star is and if she ever saw herself in that light, and Dolly replies:
“To me, Dolly Parton stardom achieves everything I can possibly do. I want it to mean something. I don’t want to be just some joke.
I don’t want to be the all-American joke. You know, just with the tits and the hair and the tight belts or whatever. I want to be a meaningful, artistic person.
Barb then asks her if she can “give up” the “tits and the hair and the tight belt” and Dolly points out the fact that they’ve dealt with it before she has (in a hilariously passive aggressive way), saying:
“Well, like I told you, I think before, I want people to know that there’s a brain under the wig and a heart under the tits. I think people are starting to see that.
Now I can get away with it if I decide to change my look. I think I can get away with less. But I like it better. Maybe I’ll go the other way.
She then goes on to talk about where did she get the idea from for her perfect iconic look, from the urban bum to her East Tennessee hometown, and I’m sure Barbara wasn’t a fan of the part either.
During the two interviews, Barbara is extremely condescending and tries to lecture Dolly about modesty, and Dolly tells her how she always wanted to look like the city bum.
Dolly plays chess, Barb plays checkers.
Then, toward the end of the interview, Barbara asks her final question:
“You, more than anyone I know in practice, have always had goals. You’ll do this in five years, you’ll do that in seven years, how do you think you’ll be remembered in, say, 100 years?’
If that response isn’t the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard, I don’t know what is:
“Did you remember? Well, probably what I’d like people to say about me 100 years from now is, “Boy, she looks great for her age.”
Matt…
The girl has Barbara’s number and I don’t know why she keeps coming back.
Here’s the full first interview:
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